Comments on: The Greek Influences on Early Christianity http://www.christisall.org/2005/08/26/the-greek-influences-on-early-christianity-by-jeff-gilbertson/ Making Him Our Focus, His Word Our Foundation Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:57:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Robert Decell http://www.christisall.org/2005/08/26/the-greek-influences-on-early-christianity-by-jeff-gilbertson/#comment-7103 Robert Decell Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:39:38 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/archives/51#comment-7103 My point is that Greek influences on the church have corrupted the divine holy order. But the church probably apostate before this influence. If true then modern chritianity therefore cannot claim divine sanction from above. Just because a talented tongue waggeling preacher mentions the name of Jesus does not give him the authority to act in his name yet this is precisely how PC estabslished and continues to establish itself. Christs church was to be built on the foundation of prophets and apostles or, revelation from above not mans reationalizations from below. The reason I point these things out is that there is a church that claims a restoration of the divine holy covenant order as established by christ. This restoration and ordination of authority occured through the ministration of angels sent from the presence of god in the early 1800s to prepare mankind for the second coming of Christ. My point is that Greek influences on the church have corrupted the divine holy order. But the church probably apostate before this influence. If true then modern chritianity therefore cannot claim divine sanction from above. Just because a talented tongue waggeling preacher mentions the name of Jesus does not give him the authority to act in his name yet this is precisely how PC estabslished and continues to establish itself. Christs church was to be built on the foundation of prophets and apostles or, revelation from above not mans reationalizations from below.

The reason I point these things out is that there is a church that claims a restoration of the divine holy covenant order as established by christ. This restoration and ordination of authority occured through the ministration of angels sent from the presence of god in the early 1800s to prepare mankind for the second coming of Christ.

]]> By: Brett Jacobsen http://www.christisall.org/2005/08/26/the-greek-influences-on-early-christianity-by-jeff-gilbertson/#comment-6737 Brett Jacobsen Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:05:06 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/archives/51#comment-6737 Response again to Robert Decell, You still have missed the point of the article. You seem to want to engage in argument for the sake of argument. The article is about all the saints contributing by the Spirit's leading to the growth and maturity of the body; you just want to argue about the trinity etc. Jeff Gilbertson's web address is at the bottom of the article, perhaps he has time to argure with you; I don't. peace Response again to Robert Decell,

You still have missed the point of the article. You seem to want to engage in argument for the sake of argument.

The article is about all the saints contributing by the Spirit’s leading to the growth and maturity of the body; you just want to argue about the trinity etc.

Jeff Gilbertson’s web address is at the bottom of the article, perhaps he has time to argure with you; I don’t.

peace

]]> By: Robert Decell http://www.christisall.org/2005/08/26/the-greek-influences-on-early-christianity-by-jeff-gilbertson/#comment-6473 Robert Decell Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:19:17 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/archives/51#comment-6473 Are you implying that God, Christ, and the Holy Ghost exist as one entity or are they seperate and distinct. What is eternal oneness? Are you saying God is not antropomorphic? What is the significance of the resurrection if the dead are now spirits? What about those who rose from the grave at the resurrection? Are they tangible or intangible? What did Christ do with his body if he is now a spirit? Will he take it up again when he comes back? Christ asked his apostles to touch him and give him to eat to show without a doubt that he had a tangible body. The resurrection is an essential component of Gods plan. It is of greater importance than we can comprehend. Christ overcame death spiritually which was transformed into a physical reality. It is Gods great work to cloth spirits in a fleshly tabernacles. Spirits crave a body to reside in. Consider legion who preferred to be sent into swine rather than to be cast out. One of Satans great curses is that he will never have a body to reside in that is his own. Modern Christianity does not appear to understand the nature of god and the importance of having a body to seperate us from the influences of the adversary. And if it does not know his nature how can it worship him correctly. The Nicene God is strange and incomprehensible. Scripture indicates we must know God to be saved. It also does not follow the holy covennat order as laid down by Christ. The priesthood or authority of God can only be maintained and exercised upon principles of righteousness and divine order. This order is fragile and easily corrupted by designs of man. When the latter occurs the church is no longer recognized from above as a legitimate divine entity. Are you implying that God, Christ, and the Holy Ghost exist as one entity or are they seperate and distinct. What is eternal oneness? Are you saying God is not antropomorphic? What is the significance of the resurrection if the dead are now spirits? What about those who rose from the grave at the resurrection? Are they tangible or intangible? What did Christ do with his body if he is now a spirit? Will he take it up again when he comes back?

Christ asked his apostles to touch him and give him to eat to show without a doubt that he had a tangible body. The resurrection is an essential component of Gods plan. It is of greater importance than we can comprehend. Christ overcame death spiritually which was transformed into a physical reality. It is Gods great work to cloth spirits in a fleshly tabernacles. Spirits crave a body to reside in. Consider legion who preferred to be sent into swine rather than to be cast out. One of Satans great curses is that he will never have a body to reside in that is his own.

Modern Christianity does not appear to understand the nature of god and the importance of having a body to seperate us from the influences of the adversary. And if it does not know his nature how can it worship him correctly. The Nicene God is strange and incomprehensible. Scripture indicates we must know God to be saved. It also does not follow the holy covennat order as laid down by Christ. The priesthood or authority of God can only be maintained and exercised upon principles of righteousness and divine order. This order is fragile and easily corrupted by designs of man. When the latter occurs the church is no longer recognized from above as a legitimate divine entity.

]]> By: Brett Jacobsen http://www.christisall.org/2005/08/26/the-greek-influences-on-early-christianity-by-jeff-gilbertson/#comment-3522 Brett Jacobsen Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:12:17 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/archives/51#comment-3522 Response to Robert Decell, Robert, I think you missed the point of the very nformative article above. Yes, we can quite simply conclude that God is a triune being with three separate entities yet He abides as eternal oneness. But do we really think that we can so easily paint our grossly limited picture of the Eternal God? Anyway, it was a good article which shows how Platonic thinking has crippled the church in many ways. Let's get on the road to recovery. Bretto Response to Robert Decell,

Robert, I think you missed the point of the very nformative article above.

Yes, we can quite simply conclude that God is a triune being with three separate entities yet He abides as eternal oneness. But do we really think that we can so easily paint our grossly limited picture of the Eternal God?

Anyway, it was a good article which shows how Platonic thinking has crippled the church in many ways. Let’s get on the road to recovery.

Bretto

]]> By: Robert Decell http://www.christisall.org/2005/08/26/the-greek-influences-on-early-christianity-by-jeff-gilbertson/#comment-3266 Robert Decell Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:22:10 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/archives/51#comment-3266 The purpose of the Nicene council was to reaffirm the divinity of Christ as being equal to God. But why should Christ be a lessor diety by being seperate from the Father. Mainline Christianity confuses oneness. Oneness from a biblical sense is oneness in power, pupose, and will. Jesus is all that the father is but the father is still recognized as the final authority. This is the true nature of the Godhead. It is this god that must be worshipped in order to be saved. Robert Decell The purpose of the Nicene council was to reaffirm the divinity of Christ as being equal to God. But why should Christ be a lessor diety by being seperate from the Father. Mainline Christianity confuses oneness. Oneness from a biblical sense is oneness in power, pupose, and will. Jesus is all that the father is but the father is still recognized as the final authority. This is the true nature of the Godhead. It is this god that must be worshipped in order to be saved.

Robert Decell

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