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	<title>Comments on: Babylon the Great is Fallen Pt 2 of 6</title>
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		<title>By: aw</title>
		<link>http://www.christisall.org/2006/06/08/babylon-the-great-is-fallen-pt-2-of-6-by-david-orton/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>aw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find these comments on the church too general.  When you use the scripture "I am and there is no one beside me' in this context you group all followers of Christ as a solid entity.  Though followers constitute the 'body of Christ' I would suggest that that body is a spiritual body, held together by  heart  relationship to Christ - something that is lived out in the small unseen things of life.

How does this talk benefit our relationship to Christ except to create fear and self depreciation.  There is a fine line between pride and confidence in our faith.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find these comments on the church too general.  When you use the scripture &#8220;I am and there is no one beside me&#8217; in this context you group all followers of Christ as a solid entity.  Though followers constitute the &#8216;body of Christ&#8217; I would suggest that that body is a spiritual body, held together by  heart  relationship to Christ - something that is lived out in the small unseen things of life.</p>
<p>How does this talk benefit our relationship to Christ except to create fear and self depreciation.  There is a fine line between pride and confidence in our faith.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Jacobsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Jacobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Ray Reis,

You only have to read part 1 of David Orton's 'BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN' to realize that the 'whore' is actually referring to apostate Israel at the time of Revelation's authorship. David then goes on to show the prophetic picture that it paints for the modern church which has imbibed somewhat of the same spirit.

Ray, I don't know whether you are American or not but it seems that too many people give too much credit, or discredit, to America as if it ever has or ever will play a major role in Biblical prophecy. America may display some characteristics of the whore, just as many other countries, religions, people groups and the like display similar whorish traits, but let's not steer the focus away from the whorish Hollywood hierarchical churches by drawing too much attention to America's erroneous ways. The Bible applies the principle 'first the natural then the spiritual' to most instances. First, in the beginning of the church, Israel became an apostate whore, as was her custom throughout history, then at various times in diverse manners the church has followed suit in whoring after other lovers, having a mixture of Jesus worship and various forms of idolatry. Although the Dark Age church appears to have displayed the worst whoring in the church season, the modern church, sadly, in many respects, has further excelled in this area.

I'm sure that if you do a Biblical study on this you will see that whoredom is not a loose term used for ‘anything’ that is corrupt and worldly but rather is a specific label for people and nations (especially OT Israel) which have turned from a real relationship with God to false gods of some description; in this light America can be analogously labeled as whorish but not as the prophetic fulfillment of John the apostle's discourse.

Peace
Bretto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Ray Reis,</p>
<p>You only have to read part 1 of David Orton&#8217;s &#8216;BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN&#8217; to realize that the &#8216;whore&#8217; is actually referring to apostate Israel at the time of Revelation&#8217;s authorship. David then goes on to show the prophetic picture that it paints for the modern church which has imbibed somewhat of the same spirit.</p>
<p>Ray, I don&#8217;t know whether you are American or not but it seems that too many people give too much credit, or discredit, to America as if it ever has or ever will play a major role in Biblical prophecy. America may display some characteristics of the whore, just as many other countries, religions, people groups and the like display similar whorish traits, but let&#8217;s not steer the focus away from the whorish Hollywood hierarchical churches by drawing too much attention to America&#8217;s erroneous ways. The Bible applies the principle &#8216;first the natural then the spiritual&#8217; to most instances. First, in the beginning of the church, Israel became an apostate whore, as was her custom throughout history, then at various times in diverse manners the church has followed suit in whoring after other lovers, having a mixture of Jesus worship and various forms of idolatry. Although the Dark Age church appears to have displayed the worst whoring in the church season, the modern church, sadly, in many respects, has further excelled in this area.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that if you do a Biblical study on this you will see that whoredom is not a loose term used for ‘anything’ that is corrupt and worldly but rather is a specific label for people and nations (especially OT Israel) which have turned from a real relationship with God to false gods of some description; in this light America can be analogously labeled as whorish but not as the prophetic fulfillment of John the apostle&#8217;s discourse.</p>
<p>Peace<br />
Bretto</p>
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		<title>By: ray reis</title>
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		<dc:creator>ray reis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with author's settling with the notion that Babylon of Revelations is the Church.  I propose it's America, its culture and a form of hegemony which enjoys the empty fruits provided by Globalism.  A great whore that imposes democracy throughout the world in order to control as puppets.    Most references state there are seven continents where American influences are seen and dominate, even in Antarctica and outside of the Holy Bible with space.  

Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more.  

Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing.

As for the Church being involved in the end times.  I would rather reference that the Church is more aligned with the Church Age of Laodiceans.  These lukewarm folks encompass brethren that love to go to service, mass, "church" on Sundays and on sabbaths then profess that they are rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that they are indeed wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.  I must warn folks that there lurks a greater evil than evil men, and that's the Indifference of Good Men.

The author's explanation that the Church is a "doable" explanation for defining Babylon, the Great Whore, but I am equally satisfied of the bitch's identity being America and her hegemonial influence called Globalism.  Of course, we'll be pledging allegiance to the North American Union soon, dumping more depleted uranium wherever Bush says there are terrorists to kill, rendering it uninhabitable for next 4.5 to 45 Billion years, no more Constitutional Rights, continuing election fraud via Diebold, and of course a "universal religion" (not Catholicism).  If we are not at the end times, then this is one huge nightmare being perpretrated by the adversary.  One can only pray that the Holy Spirit can lend a smidgen of His holy discernment to our tiny brains.

Even so, come Lord Jesus!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with author&#8217;s settling with the notion that Babylon of Revelations is the Church.  I propose it&#8217;s America, its culture and a form of hegemony which enjoys the empty fruits provided by Globalism.  A great whore that imposes democracy throughout the world in order to control as puppets.    Most references state there are seven continents where American influences are seen and dominate, even in Antarctica and outside of the Holy Bible with space.  </p>
<p><a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=KJV&amp;passage=Rev+18%3A11" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/biblegateway.com');" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 18:11</a> And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more.  </p>
<p><a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=KJV&amp;passage=Rev+18%3A15" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/biblegateway.com');" title="Bible Gateway">Rev 18:15</a> The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing.</p>
<p>As for the Church being involved in the end times.  I would rather reference that the Church is more aligned with the Church Age of Laodiceans.  These lukewarm folks encompass brethren that love to go to service, mass, &#8220;church&#8221; on Sundays and on sabbaths then profess that they are rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that they are indeed wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.  I must warn folks that there lurks a greater evil than evil men, and that&#8217;s the Indifference of Good Men.</p>
<p>The author&#8217;s explanation that the Church is a &#8220;doable&#8221; explanation for defining Babylon, the Great Whore, but I am equally satisfied of the bitch&#8217;s identity being America and her hegemonial influence called Globalism.  Of course, we&#8217;ll be pledging allegiance to the North American Union soon, dumping more depleted uranium wherever Bush says there are terrorists to kill, rendering it uninhabitable for next 4.5 to 45 Billion years, no more Constitutional Rights, continuing election fraud via Diebold, and of course a &#8220;universal religion&#8221; (not Catholicism).  If we are not at the end times, then this is one huge nightmare being perpretrated by the adversary.  One can only pray that the Holy Spirit can lend a smidgen of His holy discernment to our tiny brains.</p>
<p>Even so, come Lord Jesus!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Magrath</title>
		<link>http://www.christisall.org/2006/06/08/babylon-the-great-is-fallen-pt-2-of-6-by-david-orton/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Magrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly wonder how many in these churches landed in thorns or dry ground.
Maybe there is just 25% that are truly saved.
I am an Evangelist for our Lord Jesus some say an Appostle who cares, my heart is to get God into people not people into churches. Who do they say you are?  Are there signs wonders and miracles following you? This is the word that the Holy Spirit has placed on my heart, matthew 16-19 what we allow on earth God will allow what we do not allow He will not allow. Man had spiritual power given to him and chooses to build his own kingdom.
See how Peter wanted to build three Tabinacles at the transfiguration but God Himself stepped in and told Peter to follow Jesus not his own ways. 
You will know them by thier fruit, try going to any church and trying to share these points or try to get them net working together.

Love your articles, have you tried to get the message into these buildings??

Love Richard
In Jesus name Amen..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly wonder how many in these churches landed in thorns or dry ground.<br />
Maybe there is just 25% that are truly saved.<br />
I am an Evangelist for our Lord Jesus some say an Appostle who cares, my heart is to get God into people not people into churches. Who do they say you are?  Are there signs wonders and miracles following you? This is the word that the Holy Spirit has placed on my heart, matthew 16-19 what we allow on earth God will allow what we do not allow He will not allow. Man had spiritual power given to him and chooses to build his own kingdom.<br />
See how Peter wanted to build three Tabinacles at the transfiguration but God Himself stepped in and told Peter to follow Jesus not his own ways.<br />
You will know them by thier fruit, try going to any church and trying to share these points or try to get them net working together.</p>
<p>Love your articles, have you tried to get the message into these buildings??</p>
<p>Love Richard<br />
In Jesus name Amen..</p>
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