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	<title>Comments on: Heaven&#8217;s Underground Community Blueprint Part 3 of 5</title>
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		<title>By: Christ Is All &#187; Mortify the Arm of the Flesh Part 8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christ Is All &#187; Mortify the Arm of the Flesh Part 8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davemurray</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good friend of mine was a Hari Krishna 14 years, before being converted after watching The Passion...After 3 years of 'playing church', He's stoked 2 be part of a community that practises meal-based spirituality and outreach again. He remembers how effective an outreach tool it was 4 them 4 many years. "All we had 2 do was feed them, listen to them and, many times, they were hooked. That's how I joined up - it was through their cooking", he said. Yet we've tried 2 force unbelievers 2 sit anonymously on a wooden pew thru an hour-and-a-half of one-way dribble for a broken wafer and a sip-cup of non-alcoholic grape juice. If they're strong enough 2 make it thru that they're rewarded with a polystyrene cup o' Maxwell House and 2 or 3 60-second friendships, as they repeatedly yell the correct pronounciation of their name above all the noise at the back of the hall. (Just warms the heart, doesn't it?) It's an utterly humiliating thing that, after nearly 2000 years, someone need teach us again the most basic things of Christian existence...such as how to eat a MEAL together!?!? Yet now more than ever is needed ministries like this 2 state the bleedin' obvious, rub our noses in our stupidity and spell out 4 us the basics of how 2 walk in the simplicity of the early church - and ultimately in their power. I'm learning a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good friend of mine was a Hari Krishna 14 years, before being converted after watching The Passion&#8230;After 3 years of &#8216;playing church&#8217;, He&#8217;s stoked 2 be part of a community that practises meal-based spirituality and outreach again. He remembers how effective an outreach tool it was 4 them 4 many years. &#8220;All we had 2 do was feed them, listen to them and, many times, they were hooked. That&#8217;s how I joined up - it was through their cooking&#8221;, he said. Yet we&#8217;ve tried 2 force unbelievers 2 sit anonymously on a wooden pew thru an hour-and-a-half of one-way dribble for a broken wafer and a sip-cup of non-alcoholic grape juice. If they&#8217;re strong enough 2 make it thru that they&#8217;re rewarded with a polystyrene cup o&#8217; Maxwell House and 2 or 3 60-second friendships, as they repeatedly yell the correct pronounciation of their name above all the noise at the back of the hall. (Just warms the heart, doesn&#8217;t it?) It&#8217;s an utterly humiliating thing that, after nearly 2000 years, someone need teach us again the most basic things of Christian existence&#8230;such as how to eat a MEAL together!?!? Yet now more than ever is needed ministries like this 2 state the bleedin&#8217; obvious, rub our noses in our stupidity and spell out 4 us the basics of how 2 walk in the simplicity of the early church - and ultimately in their power. I&#8217;m learning a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: abe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 04:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bretto, 

After reading this I guess I am reminded of the sower and sowing seeds for harvest. If we hold a massive conference/meeting, hoping to get thousands of non-Christians there and then we throw out all of our seeds hoping that they land on soft fertile soil; we are foolish in our actions.

Its like a man who fishes with a net that has holes which are too big to catch most of the fish, some might get caught, if only for a little while then they wriggle a little and break free, some might even make it into the bucket, but then the bucket has holes in it and the fish are left on the shore to dry out in the sun. Some even get brought into the shore and then are thrown back out to sea because the fisherman can't be bothered going the extra mile carrying the fish home where it can be prepared for good work.

Meeting mentality is all about the CATCH but not at all about the individual FISH. 

Wouldn't it be more productive, to use a fishing rod, with the right bait, the right line and a fishermen who has the knowledge of when and where to catch the fish. A fisherman who is dedicated to seeing each fish caught and looked after until it too is ready to go and become a "fisher of men".

Will people understand that we can’t just run around casting out dodgy nets and saying, “Wow! Look at our catch, One Hundred souls for the Kingdom” and then chuck them into their dodgy bucket, whilst been too consumed with their crook bucket or boasting about their awesome catch to realise that all the fish are back on the beach suffocating. The fish were better off in the sea when they didn’t know any better.

With this knowledge, let’s become good fishermen, or sower’s. God has called us for his good works, let’s do it.

Thanks once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bretto, </p>
<p>After reading this I guess I am reminded of the sower and sowing seeds for harvest. If we hold a massive conference/meeting, hoping to get thousands of non-Christians there and then we throw out all of our seeds hoping that they land on soft fertile soil; we are foolish in our actions.</p>
<p>Its like a man who fishes with a net that has holes which are too big to catch most of the fish, some might get caught, if only for a little while then they wriggle a little and break free, some might even make it into the bucket, but then the bucket has holes in it and the fish are left on the shore to dry out in the sun. Some even get brought into the shore and then are thrown back out to sea because the fisherman can&#8217;t be bothered going the extra mile carrying the fish home where it can be prepared for good work.</p>
<p>Meeting mentality is all about the CATCH but not at all about the individual FISH. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be more productive, to use a fishing rod, with the right bait, the right line and a fishermen who has the knowledge of when and where to catch the fish. A fisherman who is dedicated to seeing each fish caught and looked after until it too is ready to go and become a &#8220;fisher of men&#8221;.</p>
<p>Will people understand that we can’t just run around casting out dodgy nets and saying, “Wow! Look at our catch, One Hundred souls for the Kingdom” and then chuck them into their dodgy bucket, whilst been too consumed with their crook bucket or boasting about their awesome catch to realise that all the fish are back on the beach suffocating. The fish were better off in the sea when they didn’t know any better.</p>
<p>With this knowledge, let’s become good fishermen, or sower’s. God has called us for his good works, let’s do it.</p>
<p>Thanks once again.</p>
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