Comments on: Centered on Self or Lost in God http://www.christisall.org/2007/07/03/centered-on-self-or-lost-in-god-by-george-davis/ Making Him Our Focus, His Word Our Foundation Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:50:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: JasonO http://www.christisall.org/2007/07/03/centered-on-self-or-lost-in-god-by-george-davis/#comment-7233 JasonO Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:06:21 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=156#comment-7233 Yep... I just copped a spiritual slap-in-the-face! Yep… I just copped a spiritual slap-in-the-face!

]]> By: james http://www.christisall.org/2007/07/03/centered-on-self-or-lost-in-god-by-george-davis/#comment-7070 james Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:08:08 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=156#comment-7070 Holy self oblivion. That's pretty cool. Holy self oblivion. That’s pretty cool.

]]> By: Brett Jacobsen http://www.christisall.org/2007/07/03/centered-on-self-or-lost-in-god-by-george-davis/#comment-6395 Brett Jacobsen Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:43:26 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=156#comment-6395 Response to asw: "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20) "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." (Rom 7:14-25) Response to asw:

“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” (Gal 2:20)

“For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” (Rom 7:14-25)

]]> By: asw http://www.christisall.org/2007/07/03/centered-on-self-or-lost-in-god-by-george-davis/#comment-6245 asw Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:53:55 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=156#comment-6245 I can't understand how dying to self means to not acknowledge that the self creates its own reality and that phenomena is in itself a reflection of the creative nature of The Creator. If this teaching defines this part of our beings as the sin nature then what is this religion? If that part of us that unconsciously registers the world we live in is (100%) sin nature then how can we even relate to Jesus. We have to use a part of our imagination to consider the reality of Jesus in the first place, to extend beyond our perception of what is, we have to use our imagination. When I read your text it seems to deny this aspect of faith, and confuse this phenomena with sin. I think as an extension that this teaching could be damaging. I can’t understand how dying to self means to not acknowledge that the self creates its own reality and that phenomena is in itself a reflection of the creative nature of The Creator. If this teaching defines this part of our beings as the sin nature then what is this religion? If that part of us that unconsciously registers the world we live in is (100%) sin nature then how can we even relate to Jesus. We have to use a part of our imagination to consider the reality of Jesus in the first place, to extend beyond our perception of what is, we have to use our imagination. When I read your text it seems to deny this aspect of faith, and confuse this phenomena with sin. I think as an extension that this teaching could be damaging.

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