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	<title>Comments on: The Fullness of Christ is Our Promised Land</title>
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		<title>By: Brett Jacobsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Jacobsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Nathanael,

You said "whether we like it or not, we are all part of a denomination based upon our revelation of the word of God…(the bible)"

Answer - That's a strange way of looking at it; unless you simply mean that we are denominated (meaning to name yourself after) in Christ. That doesn't speak well for deominationalism, it shows that we are of Christ, not man.

You said "Hence, these denominations together make up the body of christ and can reach people from all over the world no matter where their faith is at…"

Answer - No they cannot. Denominations produce a divided kingdom. Jesus said that kind of kingdom cannot stand. Not only does the division quench the power of God but also denominated church constructs hide God away in a hall/cathedral. They aren't doing a very good job at "reaching people from all over the world".

You said "I think its a big call to say denominations resist further maturity when clearly the church at large is growing at an incredible rate, and the denomination i am a part of is seeing Jesus Christ do incredible things through it! we cannot deny what God is doing through denominations…."

Answer - There are soooo many reasons why denominations resist further maturity. Read the below article for some of them.

You said the church at large is growing at an incredible rate. God only grows HIS church, not mans'. Men grow large denominations because they are talented at running organisations. Jesus never said to build churches, He said He would build His church and the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against it. Take a look at church statistics, how many pastors are falling, failing, and floundering; how many churches close down every week etc. How many passive pew-sitters are produced? How much divissive in-fighting is there in the body? Man's churches are clearly a hinderance to the further maturation of the saints (the ekklesia- the church). God is not doing "incredible things through" your denomination, He is doing incredible things through people who know and obey Him. It just so happens that some of those people denominate themselves under man, and so man gets the glory as well as God, what a shame.

If you would like a better biblical viewpoint against denominationalism feel free to read my article ONE BODY- EMBRACING TRUE BIBLICAL UNITY at-  http://www.christisall.org/2006/01/25/one-body-embracing-true-biblical-unity-by-brett-jacobsen , or read chapter eight of my book Heaven's Underground Blueprint. I'd be open to hear your refutation or reasoned response to that.

Peace,

Bretto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Nathanael,</p>
<p>You said &#8220;whether we like it or not, we are all part of a denomination based upon our revelation of the word of God…(the bible)&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer - That&#8217;s a strange way of looking at it; unless you simply mean that we are denominated (meaning to name yourself after) in Christ. That doesn&#8217;t speak well for deominationalism, it shows that we are of Christ, not man.</p>
<p>You said &#8220;Hence, these denominations together make up the body of christ and can reach people from all over the world no matter where their faith is at…&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer - No they cannot. Denominations produce a divided kingdom. Jesus said that kind of kingdom cannot stand. Not only does the division quench the power of God but also denominated church constructs hide God away in a hall/cathedral. They aren&#8217;t doing a very good job at &#8220;reaching people from all over the world&#8221;.</p>
<p>You said &#8220;I think its a big call to say denominations resist further maturity when clearly the church at large is growing at an incredible rate, and the denomination i am a part of is seeing Jesus Christ do incredible things through it! we cannot deny what God is doing through denominations….&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer - There are soooo many reasons why denominations resist further maturity. Read the below article for some of them.</p>
<p>You said the church at large is growing at an incredible rate. God only grows HIS church, not mans&#8217;. Men grow large denominations because they are talented at running organisations. Jesus never said to build churches, He said He would build His church and the gates of hell wouldn&#8217;t prevail against it. Take a look at church statistics, how many pastors are falling, failing, and floundering; how many churches close down every week etc. How many passive pew-sitters are produced? How much divissive in-fighting is there in the body? Man&#8217;s churches are clearly a hinderance to the further maturation of the saints (the ekklesia- the church). God is not doing &#8220;incredible things through&#8221; your denomination, He is doing incredible things through people who know and obey Him. It just so happens that some of those people denominate themselves under man, and so man gets the glory as well as God, what a shame.</p>
<p>If you would like a better biblical viewpoint against denominationalism feel free to read my article ONE BODY- EMBRACING TRUE BIBLICAL UNITY at-  <a href="http://www.christisall.org/2006/01/25/one-body-embracing-true-biblical-unity-by-brett-jacobsen"  rel="nofollow">http://www.christisall.org/2006/01/25/one-body-embracing-true-biblical-unity-by-brett-jacobsen</a> , or read chapter eight of my book Heaven&#8217;s Underground Blueprint. I&#8217;d be open to hear your refutation or reasoned response to that.</p>
<p>Peace,</p>
<p>Bretto</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.christisall.org/2008/02/09/the-fullness-of-christ-is-our-promised-land-by-brett-jacobsen/#comment-14443</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We tend to be happy with a part measure of God’s fullness and therefore create a denomination, thus resisting further maturity. Why do we continue to have this carnal tendency to name everything that God does, claiming it as our own?"

Im interested to hear your views on denominations?

I simply see denomination as a certain class of beliefs....

"The body is a unit, though is is made up of many parts"
1 Corinthians 12:12

 whether we like it or not, we are all part of a denomination based upon our revelation of the word of God...(the bible)

Hence, these denominations together make up the body of christ and can reach people from all over the world no matter where their faith is at...

I think its a big call to say denominations resist further maturity when clearly the church at large is growing at an incredible rate, and the denomination i am a part of is seeing Jesus Christ do incredible things through it! we cannot deny what God is doing through denominations....

The journey of faith continually grows, at the end of the day if we are connected to Christ, if we abide in Christ, it is him who produces fruit through us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We tend to be happy with a part measure of God’s fullness and therefore create a denomination, thus resisting further maturity. Why do we continue to have this carnal tendency to name everything that God does, claiming it as our own?&#8221;</p>
<p>Im interested to hear your views on denominations?</p>
<p>I simply see denomination as a certain class of beliefs&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The body is a unit, though is is made up of many parts&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=KJV&amp;passage=1+Corinthians+12%3A12" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/biblegateway.com');" title="Bible Gateway">1 Corinthians 12:12</a></p>
<p> whether we like it or not, we are all part of a denomination based upon our revelation of the word of God&#8230;(the bible)</p>
<p>Hence, these denominations together make up the body of christ and can reach people from all over the world no matter where their faith is at&#8230;</p>
<p>I think its a big call to say denominations resist further maturity when clearly the church at large is growing at an incredible rate, and the denomination i am a part of is seeing Jesus Christ do incredible things through it! we cannot deny what God is doing through denominations&#8230;.</p>
<p>The journey of faith continually grows, at the end of the day if we are connected to Christ, if we abide in Christ, it is him who produces fruit through us!</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Rife</title>
		<link>http://www.christisall.org/2008/02/09/the-fullness-of-christ-is-our-promised-land-by-brett-jacobsen/#comment-13150</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Rife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,

Purchased your new book, and will completely read it before we talk. I would like to dialog with you about a book I am trying to write (I am NOT a writer). My title is "Good News....Part II. I believe God allowed me to see something and I would be very interested in your feedback.

I spoke with Tom Sparks about this........he found it interesting. Also, in light of the the new book out by George Barna/Frank Viola."Pagen Christianity,"my discovery finishes the puzzle. This book is raising eyebrows and causing problems in the earthly world of religion.........it's exposing it for what it really is.....man made.

Do you ever get to the USA?

God Bless, look forward to your thoughts.
Lou Rife</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett,</p>
<p>Purchased your new book, and will completely read it before we talk. I would like to dialog with you about a book I am trying to write (I am NOT a writer). My title is &#8220;Good News&#8230;.Part II. I believe God allowed me to see something and I would be very interested in your feedback.</p>
<p>I spoke with Tom Sparks about this&#8230;&#8230;..he found it interesting. Also, in light of the the new book out by George Barna/Frank Viola.&#8221;Pagen Christianity,&#8221;my discovery finishes the puzzle. This book is raising eyebrows and causing problems in the earthly world of religion&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;it&#8217;s exposing it for what it really is&#8230;..man made.</p>
<p>Do you ever get to the USA?</p>
<p>God Bless, look forward to your thoughts.<br />
Lou Rife</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.christisall.org/2008/02/09/the-fullness-of-christ-is-our-promised-land-by-brett-jacobsen/#comment-13091</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in union with Jesus Christ and He operating as us using our personalities will bring His goal...Christ being All in All.  As usual we get wrapped up in other things besides His Living Presence within us and continue to be sin focused rather than Him focused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in union with Jesus Christ and He operating as us using our personalities will bring His goal&#8230;Christ being All in All.  As usual we get wrapped up in other things besides His Living Presence within us and continue to be sin focused rather than Him focused.</p>
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