Comments on: Doctrinal Disputation http://www.christisall.org/2010/02/24/doctrinal-disputation/ Making Him Our Focus, His Word Our Foundation Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:01:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: John Corson http://www.christisall.org/2010/02/24/doctrinal-disputation/#comment-36802 John Corson Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:37:30 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=742#comment-36802 Thanks Brett for this faithful word. As you know from my recent actions I have come to see the truth of this more and more. The only way we can rightly discern Christ is through our own searching in the word with the Holy Spirit and with one another in a spirit of meekness and strength. O how good it is to find likeminded saints who want to speak together about our blessed Lord who brings us to the Father through the Holy Spirit. blessings, John. Thanks Brett for this faithful word. As you know from my recent actions I have come to see the truth of this more and more. The only way we can rightly discern Christ is through our own searching in the word with the Holy Spirit and with one another in a spirit of meekness and strength.
O how good it is to find likeminded saints who want to speak together about our blessed Lord who brings us to the Father through the Holy Spirit.
blessings, John.

]]> By: Brett Jacobsen http://www.christisall.org/2010/02/24/doctrinal-disputation/#comment-36799 Brett Jacobsen Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:57:26 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=742#comment-36799 Thanks Benny, be blessed bro. Thanks Benny, be blessed bro.

]]> By: Benny http://www.christisall.org/2010/02/24/doctrinal-disputation/#comment-36798 Benny Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:27:19 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=742#comment-36798 Bretto, Awesome and profound article. If we are seeking Truth (a person) then we *must* be willing to lay down our "beliefs" (religious training). At least in my own life this has been the most difficult part of fully pursuing Christ. Once we are willing to let our "opinions" die then it becomes a little easier to accept another person's viewpoint, regardless of their maturity levels. We also begin to realize that "our picture" is only a "part" of the bigger picture and we need other believers to complete the puzzle. I totally agree with you and Seth, love, maturity, and graciousness are paramount. Thanks again for the article. Pursuing our King, -Benny- Bretto,
Awesome and profound article. If we are seeking Truth (a person) then we *must* be willing to lay down our “beliefs” (religious training). At least in my own life this has been the most difficult part of fully pursuing Christ. Once we are willing to let our “opinions” die then it becomes a little easier to accept another person’s viewpoint, regardless of their maturity levels. We also begin to realize that “our picture” is only a “part” of the bigger picture and we need other believers to complete the puzzle.

I totally agree with you and Seth, love, maturity, and graciousness are paramount. Thanks again for the article.

Pursuing our King,
-Benny-

]]> By: Brett Jacobsen http://www.christisall.org/2010/02/24/doctrinal-disputation/#comment-36796 Brett Jacobsen Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:47:16 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=742#comment-36796 Hi Seth, Thank you for sharing your heart. It is sad that many have abused people's trust in many ways. I think the issue is with relationship. If we have institutional/hierarchical relationship then it is viewed as correction- the boss corrects the underling; but if we are brothers in Christ (albeit with elders and equippers AMONGST us) then it looks more like sharpening each other. I would only correct someone who was way out of line and off track, for the most part it is better to discuss, dialogue and even dispute a point with someone. And you're right about the spirit it is done in. Love, maturity, wisdom and graciousness are mandatory for this to be effective, but that doesn't cancel out the need for fervent and forthright discourse. peace brother Hi Seth,

Thank you for sharing your heart. It is sad that many have abused people’s trust in many ways.

I think the issue is with relationship. If we have institutional/hierarchical relationship then it is viewed as correction- the boss corrects the underling; but if we are brothers in Christ (albeit with elders and equippers AMONGST us) then it looks more like sharpening each other. I would only correct someone who was way out of line and off track, for the most part it is better to discuss, dialogue and even dispute a point with someone. And you’re right about the spirit it is done in. Love, maturity, wisdom and graciousness are mandatory for this to be effective, but that doesn’t cancel out the need for fervent and forthright discourse.

peace brother

]]> By: Seth http://www.christisall.org/2010/02/24/doctrinal-disputation/#comment-36795 Seth Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:09:22 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=742#comment-36795 Bretto, I do believe this is an important subject. This approach as you said must be in love and I will add a mature attitude in Christ. It is important to discuss important issues but for to long many have simply divided over these. Our basis for fellowship and union is always the indwelling life of Christ yet that does not mean we cannot continue to grow in the knowledge of Christ. This does require us to have our views challenged and sharpened. For us to see a fuller Christ we do need to listen to others. So I appreciate this article I believe it is needed. I would add prior to intense dialogue there should be some type of understanding and agreement that we are seeking the higher truth and maintain a heart of willingness to yield and heart of humility and no matter what conclusion unless it has to do with the Lordship of Christ then we not divide over the subject at hand. As Paul said in Colossians 3:12-16 12Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. 15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. I have had a mentor in the past that did share that love is shown also through correction. Unfortunately he used it as a justification for a heavy handed authoritarian approach. He did have powerful revelation of Christ and the Church but it also matters what spirit we have no matter how doctrinally correct we are. The issue you address in this article is of great importance and shouldn't be left aside because of abuses or potential ones. We ought to grow up unto the fullness of Christ and be as Christians full of love and not easily offended that way we can engage in such discussion and dialogue. Your thoughts? Bretto,
I do believe this is an important subject. This approach as you said must be in love and I will add a mature attitude in Christ. It is important to discuss important issues but for to long many have simply divided over these. Our basis for fellowship and union is always the indwelling life of Christ yet that does not mean we cannot continue to grow in the knowledge of Christ. This does require us to have our views challenged and sharpened. For us to see a fuller Christ we do need to listen to others. So I appreciate this article I believe it is needed. I would add prior to intense dialogue there should be some type of understanding and agreement that we are seeking the higher truth and maintain a heart of willingness to yield and heart of humility and no matter what conclusion unless it has to do with the Lordship of Christ then we not divide over the subject at hand.

As Paul said in Colossians 3:12-16
12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.

I have had a mentor in the past that did share that love is shown also through correction. Unfortunately he used it as a justification for a heavy handed authoritarian approach. He did have powerful revelation of Christ and the Church but it also matters what spirit we have no matter how doctrinally correct we are.

The issue you address in this article is of great importance and shouldn’t be left aside because of abuses or potential ones. We ought to grow up unto the fullness of Christ and be as Christians full of love and not easily offended that way we can engage in such discussion and dialogue. Your thoughts?

]]> By: Damo http://www.christisall.org/2010/02/24/doctrinal-disputation/#comment-36793 Damo Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:02:37 +0000 http://www.christisall.org/?p=742#comment-36793 good article mate good article mate

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